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neoteo · Feb 13, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

i would like to see tomb of primeval kings broadcast like we have for pvp now , my idea was for the first 5 or 10 teams that made it from the start to the end in less time.
one of the reasons i had this idea was becose i see people spaming , experience barrage pet group ends in 45 minutes ... ??? my minium master is ready for that , but i have only been in crapy groups so far , all died in the first 5 minutes inside ... best i made with my fire ele nuker was 1:45 - 2:00 ..in a 1 w 2 necros 2 healer 2 eles 1 ranger.
i would watch a 45 minute PVE run. expecialy a 5 ranger group with pets , hehe

EDIT : if you dont like pve , thats not the point of this thread , thank you

JoeKnowMo · Feb 13, 2006, 09:24 AM // 09:24

I agree. But would like to see it extended to the other high level areas as well.

The 3 shortest times for UW, FoW, and SF quests for example.

tafy69 · Feb 13, 2006, 09:30 AM // 09:30

You think people will watch PvE?

fallot · Feb 13, 2006, 09:31 AM // 09:31

I cant think of anything that would be more boring. Aggro, Kill, Regen, Repeat... No thanks.

neoteo · Feb 13, 2006, 09:43 AM // 09:43

as i said only the best teams would go to observe mode .. not the agro unorganized ones ...
those teams that complete tombs in 45 minutes , i want to see it to believe it.
guild or leader name would be in observe mode list , i think most pve players would love that kind of fame.
i know its not a race , but time can tell how organized the team is .
there is no ladder for pve , a observe mode would be nice.
uw , fissure and such quests are hard to trace and to count ... i think this is only possible in tomb.

EF2NYD · Feb 13, 2006, 10:00 AM // 10:00

Maybe someone can make a video that has the same effect. I don't think Anet would put in a PVE observe feature just for what basically is high end farming.

neoteo · Feb 13, 2006, 11:14 AM // 11:14

why not ? if its hard enoph to make people watch.

i dont want to see a 55 monk in the desert , i want to see 8 people team cleaning hoh in 45 minutes.

Kakumei · Feb 13, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Because watching people pull monsters for hours on end would make for quality entertainment.

Starsky-sama · Feb 13, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

I guess it would be similar to the gvgs and HoH battles.

you observe to "learn" strats. why not.

They are already doing this to gvgs/hoh, where they root out battles and not show every single one of them anyways. (they already have a system for this probably)

So, it would be nice, but only for specific special pve areas w/ a full team ofcourse. (UW/FOW/new tombs/new mishes in factions kingofthehill/ etc.)

wouldnt mind watching something new.

(also, IMO some of the observer matches showed werent all that exciting sometimes.)

/g'day.

Orbberius · Feb 13, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24

I guess we would all like to have audiences when doing mundane, unchallenging things, but.... no.

lishi · Feb 13, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

i think they will be some technical probrem.

you wont know if a team will be able to be on tv until they end the performance and probably memorizing ever party in tomb will encounter some technical issue. plus it will be boring

Kakumei · Feb 13, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orbberius

I guess we would all like to have audiences when doing mundane, unchallenging things, but.... no.

Requesting observer mode for washing dishes. People totally need to see my style.

Avarre · Feb 13, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Considering the number of people that ask to watch Racthoh's spider and smite runs (as solo warrior) the idea isn't without promise.

But there is too small of an audience to justify such an addition at this point in time.

JoeKnowMo · Feb 13, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

No offense, but many of the GvGs end up being snoozefests. Most of the builds and strategies are pretty old by now. Pick target, spike, target runs around, switch target, spike, target runs around, rinse, wash, repeat. Ummm, wake me up when it's over.

The PvE battles that would get listed would be based on fastest time. Don't you think that would give teams an incentive to reduce their run times? The fastest team in tombs might be more interesting than some of the GvG battles. And it would give the PvEers something to shoot for.

Maybe GW could start with just listing the 10 shortest times for each quest in different high-level areas. And then if there's enough interest they could consider the observe mode.

Orbberius · Feb 13, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

If you don't find something interesting in a GvG match between two top guilds, you are either already in a top build or you are a scrub and you have little idea about what's really going on.

Traveller · Feb 13, 2006, 04:13 PM // 16:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orbberius

If you don't find something interesting in a GvG match between two top guilds, you are either already in a top build or you are a scrub and you have little idea about what's really going on.

Wonder if it's that kind of attitude that's widening the gap between PvE and PvP players.

Kakumei · Feb 13, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traveller

Wonder if it's that kind of attitude that's widening the gap between PvE and PvP players.

His attitude, however, is generally the correct one. Newer players -don't- know what's going on, so it's likely they wouldn't be interested. How to solve this? LEARN.

DarkCloud · Feb 13, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

PvE Players watching PvP players play in GvG and HoH are generally confused about strategies and such. PvP players dont find watching pvp battles because they learn new stuff and strategies to improve there PvP game play. Whereas PvE players watch PvP for fun and giggles imo. Well, I think it will be realli hard to set up such a PvE observor mode because they have to basically record all the pve tombs run in order to do this cuz u dont know the outcome or the elapsed time finished until the very end.

Orbberius · Feb 13, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

I think the big problem with a PvE observer mode is that PvE is all about exploiting the weaknesses in AI. The monsters bring the same skills and do the same things each time. So PvE isn't really a competition between two fairly equal groups, it's just a matter of 'how long will it take to find the best AI exploit to clear this area'. Then it's a matter of finding out how to shave some seconds off the time. Not particularly interesting, IMHO.

It might be worth watching the first time around, and so a recorded video could be interesting, but again and again? Not really. A simple list of fastest times could serve the purpose, but an observer mode would be completely over-kill.

Oh, and even a PvP newb can find interesting things to learn from a top GvG match, if they're paying attention. A scrub, on the other hand, will spend the entire time going 'hmm wow how boring I'm gonna go farm now'.

JoeKnowMo · Feb 14, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orbberius

It might be worth watching the first time around, and so a recorded video could be interesting, but again and again? Not really. A simple list of fastest times could serve the purpose, but an observer mode would be completely over-kill.

Oh, and even a PvP newb can find interesting things to learn from a top GvG match, if they're paying attention. A scrub, on the other hand, will spend the entire time going 'hmm wow how boring I'm gonna go farm now'.

I'm going to have to retract my earlier statement about the PvE observer mode. On second thought, it would get boring real fast. However, I do like the idea of listing the fastest times each week or every fortnight.

About GvG matches: I'm into PvP build creation. As annoying as IWAY was I have to admit it was a smart idea. I do enjoy a lot of the smart teams that play with interesting builds. However, of the several matches that I watch each day about 50% or more are semi-interesting. Not so much because I don't understand the builds or the team concept of using builds that support each other, but because the variety/originality seems to be dwindling.

By no means am I a know-it-all. I still learn a great deal from watching some good teams. But I find that the more you watch, the less you learn over time. Anyway, I was wrong, PvP observer mode would be far more interesting than PvE observer mode. However, even PvP observer mode can get boring at times, some of you will admit.